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		<title>My name is Bond, Jeff Bond</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 15:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Quinto</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can you picture yourself as James Bond in a tuxedo sitting at the Baccarat table at the casino in Monte Carlo with a beautiful girl by your side? I can. The first time I was ever in a casino, I wanted to be just like James Bond. Of course, I was in Reno, Nevada (the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="My name is Bond, Jeff Bond" href="http://professionaltradermentoring.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/jeff_at_the_bacarat_table.jpg"></a><span style="color: #003300;"><strong>Can you picture yourself as James Bond in a tuxedo sitting at the Baccarat table at the casino in Monte Carlo with a beautiful girl by your side? </strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #003300;"><strong> </strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #003300;"><strong> </strong></span> <a title="jeff_at_the_bacarat_table.jpg" href="http://professionaltradermentoring.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/jeff_at_the_bacarat_table.jpg"><img style="width: 404px; height: 266px;" src="http://professionaltradermentoring.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/jeff_at_the_bacarat_table.jpg" alt="jeff_at_the_bacarat_table.jpg" width="418" height="284" /></a></p>
<p><strong>I can.<br />
</strong><br />
The first time I was ever in a casino, I wanted to be just like James Bond.<span id="more-4860"></span></p>
<p><strong>Of course, I was in Reno, Nevada (the biggest little city in the world), not Monte Carlo.</strong></p>
<p>I did have a beautiful girl by my side (my wife) and I had invested five minutes, or so, reading an explanation of Baccarat in the little pamphlet I found on the table beside the bed in our hotel room.</p>
<p><strong>So, I was ready.<br />
</strong><br />
My wife and I agreed to limit our investment in my pretending to be James Bond to a few hundred dollars, which we split between us.   We arrived at the Baccarat table well-dressed, confident and ready to break the bank at Monte Carlo &#8211; I mean, Reno.</p>
<p>As it turns out, I should have invested more time reading the pamphlet explaining Baccarat because, when I sat at the table, I did not have any idea what I was doing.</p>
<p><strong>However, through no fault of my own, some of my bets seemed to work.</strong></p>
<p>My wife was similarly winning some of the time.</p>
<p>After what seemed like a long time and many winning and losing bets, I was nonetheless out of chips. My wife gave me a few of her chips and we played for a while longer until we were both out of chips.</p>
<p><strong>I suggested we adjourn to the bar so that I could get a Martini (shaken, not stirred).</strong></p>
<p>At the bar, my wife opened her purse and I saw that it was filled with chips.</p>
<p>Unbeknownst to me, she had taken a few chips out of each winning pot and stowed them in her purse.</p>
<p><strong>I was elated.<br />
</strong><br />
I was indeed James Bond, not some chump from the suburbs.</p>
<p>We cashed our chips and went to a late show where we saw Alan King.</p>
<p><strong>Being smart about money in trading is just like that.<br />
</strong><br />
You need to take your profits off the table and play with a set amount of money.</p>
<p>When your account is ahead by some predetermined amount, take the money out. Trading with a larger amount of money than you planned can cause you to trade with less discipline.</p>
<p><strong>Do not leave more money in your account than you need to reasonably trade.<br />
</strong><br />
When your account is ahead by $1,000, $5,000 or whatever you decide, give your broker a call and ask for the overage to be sent to you. Only increase the money in your account in a planned well thought-out basis and only when you are ready to increase the size you are trading.</p>
<p><strong>Regularly taking money out of your account may not turn into James Bond, but,</strong> <a href="http://professionaltradermentoring.com/bio/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #003300;"><strong>in my experience</strong></span></a><strong>, it does help in getting the girl.<br />
</strong><br />
If you would like to take the gambling out of your trading, check out my <a href="http://www.professionaltradermentoring.com/mentoring/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #003300;"><strong>Professional Trader Mentoring Program </strong></span></a>at <a href="http://www.professionaltradermentoring.com/"><span style="color: #003300;"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">www.professionaltradermentoring.com</span></strong></span></a>.</p>
<p>Wishing you success in your trading,<br />
<a href="http://www.professionaltradermentoring.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/Jeff-in-script-5-24-2011.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3648" title="Jeff" src="http://www.professionaltradermentoring.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/Jeff-in-script-5-24-2011.jpg" alt="" width="81" height="78" /></a></p>
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		<title>Over-reliance on accuracy in trading can be dangerous!</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 13:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Quinto</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Accuracy would seem to be a good thing. In many professions, it is the most important thing. (see picture at left) However, in trading, over-reliance on accuracy can actually be destructive. A new mentoring trader started with me last week and he showed me a strategy he had learned that generated 80% winning trades. 80% [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3><span style="color: #000000;"><strong><span style="color: #000000;">Accuracy would seem to be a good thing.</span></strong></span></h3>
<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-3865" title="Accuracy is very important in certain jobs" src="http://www.professionaltradermentoring.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Knife-throwers-assistant-worst-job-with-white-right-side-300x221.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="221" />In many professions, it is the most important thing.</p>
<p>(see picture at left)</p>
<p>However, in trading, over-reliance on accuracy can actually be destructive.</p>
<p>A new mentoring trader started with me last week and he showed me a strategy he had learned that generated 80% winning trades.</p>
<p><strong>80% winning trades</strong> &#8211; that seems too good to be true.</p>
<p><strong>Could there be a catch? </strong></p>
<p>As we discussed the strategy in greater detail, he showed me the setups which seemed very reasonable – in fact the setups were quite clever.</p>
<p>But, then, he told me about the<span id="more-3864"></span> risk/reward of the trade and I realized that this could never work in the long run.</p>
<p>The way the strategy attained 8 out of 10 winners was that it employed a 4 tick target and a 12 tick stop loss.</p>
<p>In other words, the strategy would never give more than a 4 tick winner, but was willing to stand a 12 tick loss.</p>
<p><strong>That is exactly the opposite of what I know works in the long run.</strong></p>
<p>But, the problem with this strategy is not just the backwards risk/reward ratio.</p>
<p>The problem is that even though the strategy gives a lot of small winning trades, it will never generate meaningful profits and, importantly,  it does not have enough of an edge to overcome anything that goes wrong.</p>
<p>The new trader thought that his inability to make money using the strategy was because he was not sufficiently disciplined or skillful.</p>
<p>In fact, the problem was not him. It was with the strategy which relies on paying him small amounts when he is right and taking away large amounts when he is wrong.</p>
<p><strong>Successful trading comes from putting the probabilities in your favor, not from being right all the time.</strong></p>
<p>The best strategies are the ones that exploit the market when they are being rewarded and lose as little as possible when they are not working.   Successful strategies take advantage of the <strong>power of unequal profits and losses</strong> where profits end up being dramatically larger than losses.</p>
<p>Also, a strategy with only a fixed target, in this case a small one, assures that you never participate in the big moves.</p>
<p><strong>You are just taking the chump change and letting the big moves happen without you.</strong></p>
<p>I show traders in my <a href="http://www.professionaltradermentoring.com" target="_blank"><strong><span style="color: #003300;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Professional Trader Mentoring Program</span></span></strong></a> and my <a href="professionaltradermentoring.com/express" target="_blank"><span style="color: #003300;"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Express Program</span></strong></span></a> an exit strategy that leaves open the possibility of big winners because the market will sometimes deliver profits beyond your expectation if you are set up to receive them.</p>
<p>After all, if you are only asking for 4 ticks, the market will never give you anything more than that. However, if a portion of your exit strategy leaves open the possibility of opened-ended wins, then you are likely to have winners that pay for a lot of small losers not the reverse.</p>
<p><strong>Don’t get me wrong, I understand the appeal of lots of winners. </strong></p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-3870" title="Show tickets pay if your horse finishes in the top three, but they don't pay much." src="http://www.professionaltradermentoring.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/show-ticket-with-wide-right-side-300x127.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="127" />When I go to the race track, I bet on the horses to show so that I can cash in lots of tickets. I think it is fun to turn my ticket in at the window for my winnings.</p>
<p>However, I am not confused in thinking that this cashing in of tickets is making me any money.</p>
<p>In trading, real money comes to those traders who put the odds in their favor and have winners that are dramatically larger than their losers.</p>
<p><strong>Accuracy is not a bad thing.  It just isn&#8217;t the only thing that matters in trading.</strong></p>
<p>Wishing you success in your trading,</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3648" title="Jeff" src="http://www.professionaltradermentoring.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/Jeff-in-script-5-24-2011.jpg" alt="" width="81" height="78" /></p>
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<p><strong>Feedback from the above:</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>As far as the 80/20 trader goes, one doesn&#8217;t need to even look at it from a trading perspective or methodology when a simple business plan break-even analysis shows its flaws.</p>
<p>If he&#8217;s trading the ES, then he&#8217;d net around $3,600.00 profit from the 4 tick winners if round turn commissions are 5 bucks. And he&#8217;d lose about $3,100.00 on the 12 tick losers using the same commission rate for a pre-tax profit of $500.00. Set aside 20% for the Feds and 5% for the State of Illinois and you&#8217;re left with $375.00.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s enough to cover some of the fixed costs associated with running a small trading business but it won&#8217;t cover them all.</p>
<p>And you want to talk about risk/reward? The ES is trading in the 1330/40 range today so the notional value is over 66 grand. 100 trades in this price area is well over 6 million dollars risked for a profit of only $375.00? That doesn&#8217;t sound too appealing to me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad he found you so you can set him straight.&#8221;   Geoff G., Lombard</p></blockquote>
<p>As my pal Andre said today,</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">&#8221; <strong>The journey through accuracy is an expensive one!</strong>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>Supercharge your trading using my &#8220;V&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Your most powerful advantage</title>
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		<title>The tipping point</title>
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